Video 2 For Skaters

As a figure skater, understanding and applying the information in this video could immediately improve your jumps. Haven’t heard these tips from your coach? Make sure your coach knows about Good luck with your jumps and please leave a comment below. Tell me how your coach teaches a loop jump.

101 thoughts on “Video 2 For Skaters

  1. Tara

    This is interesting. One coach I had actually taught this way… I should have stayed with him! I will try thinking about this next time on the ice.

  2. liane

    You’re talking about the body and blade having rotated to facing forward by the time the last part of the blade (toepick) leaves the ice. But the jump has to start lifting and rotating before it gets to that point. That’s the part of the takeoff where “secrets” would be useful.

  3. Bernadette

    While yes what you say is true that a double loop jump only needs to rotate 1 1/4 turns in the air do we really want to be telling skaters that it’s ok to perform the mininum required to get credit for a jump? A 1/4 cheated double loop will not recieve the same GOE as a truely clean double loop and also can lead to different technical specialists downgrading or not downgrading the jump based on their position in compared to the placement of the jump on the ice. I believe we should be trying to teach more skaters to go for the higher GOE and do truely clean jumps then just what the minimum they are required to do.

  4. Hanna

    My coach teaches this same information by showing me the pattern my blade makes on the ice and where the edge and toepick marks and directions are. Your video is a really helpful addition to this as it verbalizes the information and the slow motion jump gives a visual reinforcement. I would also like information on how to get and keep my free leg in the correct position.

  5. F

    I didn’t realise that there were so many coaches out there which didn’t know these things. All the coaches I’ve ever had (and that’s quite a few but they’re all British) taught that ALL jumps take off from the toe and that some turn on the ice is acceptable.
    I like the comment that the Axel is only 1 revolution. Makes it slightly less scary to think about knowing that.

  6. Emma Black

    This video was amazing. Now I feel more confident with my jumps. My coach does not teach this way but I am going to e-mail this site to him. Thank you so much!

  7. Tilly

    WOW!!! Trever you have helped me soooo much! I can’t believe that i have landed my double salchow, and double toe (well almost) in such a short period of time! I’m glad to have a good jumping coach like you!

  8. Libby Cahill

    Hey Trevor,
    I’ve been off the ice for 3 months and am ready to get back. It is so much easier to understand all of the technical things if you are an actual skater, or if you just perform them on the ground. I got all the questions right ๐Ÿ™‚ whoopie for me!! Can’t wait to get back. I’m fully motivated watching all your videos and I’m excited to try for all my jumps again. You never know what you got till it’s gone, or in this case had… Hopefully you can help me take a long road to recovery to a shorter one (jump wise) Thanks so much Trevor, keep up the videos ๐Ÿ˜€

  9. Emma Smith

    My mom is my coach, she got most of your questions correct.On the loop and double loop, she watches my upper body very carefully and doesn’t want it to get ahead of me too much. She wants me to pre-rotate through my hip rotation, pressure into the ice and final press off the toe. Could you make a comment about how the upper body is involved in the forward takeoff for this loop.
    Thank You

  10. Connie

    I like what I see and I think that my coach may teach this way. I am off the ice for 6 months due to an injury but when I get back these videos will help me get my jumps back quicker!

  11. Daisy

    This Was Very Encouraging To Know! I Am Doing Double Loops (Clean But Inconsistent) And Have Worried That I Am Doing It Wrong Because My Coach Asks Me To Let The Takeoff Edge Round To Forwards. Thanks For Creating This Video!

  12. kate

    this is great info for a single loop as i have been skating for three years and i need a PERFECT single loop to get high marks at NZ nationals this year. Thanks trevor!

  13. Denis La Rochelle

    Very good technical info and glad to see that this is the minimum requirement for the jump but must admit that a 3/4 turn in the air will probably give better GOE marks but this would provide full points. It is nice to see what really is involved in a jump…maybe the future video’s will help me with my lutz and axel. Currently able to land all other single jumps and the loop is my best jump although I do believe I do 3/4 turn in the air as the mark on the ice is very clean and my take off is only 1/4 turn on the ice with virtually no toe pick mark on the ice. Now knowing what is required makes me happy to be able to do better than the minimum.

  14. Kara

    I always knew some form of this information but never knew how to apply it. I’ll have my coach look at this.

  15. Megan

    I think the information given for the loop jump is excellent. The loop jump is broken down really well and gives skaters a good understanding of how to execute the jump. I hope in the next video, you will break down the double axle, ive just landed mine but i would like more insight so it will be consistant.

  16. Marian Campbell

    I love the videos! I am an adult skater and have only been skating 4 years. I am also a sixth grade science teacher. I love analyzing how things work. These videos are useful to me as a skater, since I am trying to learn the loop jump at this time. I don’t care about getting incredibly high…I just want a clean jump. My coach was correct about the take off. She stated that it starts on an edge, but by the time you leave the ice, you are actually on your toe. Thank you for being willing to share your knowledge about skating with the world. I will tell all the members of our adult group at our rink!

    Marian ๐Ÿ™‚

  17. S.C.

    Wow, this helped me land my double loop in one session! Thank you! Please do videos on other jumps as well, especially the double salchow and double toe loop! It will be greatly appreciated. I will be telling my coach and parents about this as well.

  18. Edward Lane

    This was very informative. It can be assumed that the same jump dynamics apply to all other jumps. Thanks for all your efforts. Keep up the great work.

    Edward Lane

  19. Hok

    I totally agreed with what you are talking about, I will pass this out to my coach, thanks for the advice again.

  20. Zoe

    I already knew all that and so do all my skating friends and my coach.But, still nice to get a confirmation.Please talk about different jumps next time (hopefully dbl axel).

  21. christine

    hahah trevor. gues wat?!?!?! i luv my coach. i knew all the answers 2 those qusetions so she taught me a correct loop!! yayy. im actually workin to the double loop now. i get the rotation but jus cant seem to land it on 1 foot. urggh. its soo frustrating. hahaha. thanxx 4 creating this website! ๐Ÿ˜€

  22. Patricia

    Well I’m from Mexico and I found very interesting this web, and all the secrets are amazing…

    With the loop jump I have no problem.
    it is incredible!! My coach explain me perfectly.

    And please send axel, i don’t understand as well this jump because I found it veryy dificult

  23. Lena

    I`m a skater from Ukrain, thank you so much for these videos.It is VERY interesting and helpful information.My coach taught me this way(but I know some coaches that even don`t pay attention on these important things). Before my jumps were so inconfident. Now I feel it has become for me easier to learn. I hope next time you will talk about double axel.Thank you!

  24. Cory

    This information wasn’t necessarily new to me, rather it was confirmation that my coach was teaching me correctly. I am an adult male skater, and have been skating for a little more than 2 years. My coach was a skater who competed in singles, pairs, and ice dancing. He took me out of learn to skate and had me rotate double axel after only 1 year of working with him!!! He is someone I consider an unsung coach and a wellspring of knowledge when it comes to figure skating. He explains jump technique very similar to what you describe on your site. I was a skating fan before actually stepping out on the ice so his jump mechanics were completely contrary to anything I had ever heard about skating. He told me that salchows and loops were nothing but waltz jumps with little 3 turns in front. But I find that it is the key to landing consistent doubles. I thought he was crazy and I was worried that he was teaching me things that would get me downgraded scores and negative GOE’s. I’m glad I trusted him after checking this website. Thanks Trevor, for sharing this with the skating world.

  25. megan

    Hey trevor, I do trust the information you have on these videos, but it would be reassuring if you have a judges survey as well. Thanks for making these videos.

  26. Emily

    Thanks! I’ll make sure to do that when I practice my double loop. (Haven’t started it yet, but soon!)That makes the jump a heck of a lot easier…

  27. Rocky

    Wow, that was very eye-opening. Since I jump both directions, I always thought that learning the jump counter-clocwise would be as easily as flipping everything I have learnt on my natural direction, then mirror it off. While I won’t be doing a quad anytime soon, but I hope that i can pull off a clockwise Axel/Counter-clockwise Lutz as a combo. It has never been done before, but it is theopretically possible.

  28. Rocky Mak

    Wow, I haven’t landed a single loop jump yet, but I think my coach got it spot on. It was always my fault that I got the footwork leading up to the jump wrong. If that can also be clarified, that would be great so I won’t end up doing toe loops all the time.

  29. Christine

    I must be lucky, both coaches that I’ve had have taught this way. My current coach looks at the marks left on the ice to see if my takeoffs and landings are correct. Nice videos!

  30. Brianna Mercer

    This is incredible!
    I had NO idea that a single loop only needs 1/4th of a revolution and a double loop only needs 1 and 1/4th of a revolution to be a clean jump! Wow, I cannot believe that I had no idea about that…Great video–thanks ! ๐Ÿ™‚

  31. meg

    hi trevor,
    thanks for sharing this information. makes a double loop much less daunting. i am primarily an inline skater these days, but the information is equally applicable and i will be using it on and off the ice.

  32. ME

    this is very interesting and i really want to see vid 3! One day i went on the ice and i did all of my jumps and i kept just falling on my butt all the sudden! even on a waltz jump witch is not normal 4 me! even off-ice ! What could be the cause of this? please give me some ansers!

  33. Tabbers

    Well, thanks for finding everything out:) I’ve always thought you jumped off of your toe pick, and I never really got confused with that, but this video still helped me a lot, knowing that doubles and triples can actually but not two and three full rounds in the air. (except axels)
    But everyone says that my jumps are extremely high, so doubles and triples are not that hard for me tho land. Plus I love jumps! Thanks for all the information!!

  34. Kate

    I never thought of these tips. I can’t wait to try them out on the ice. Hopefully I will have my loop jump back consistantly before the end of the summer. Thanks!

  35. Sergey

    I am an amateur skater from Russia, and I think that the things which you are talking about are something like “trick” and cheating. It can help you to learn double jump more quickly, but it has nothing to do with classical and correct technique of the jumps. Well, it is easier to jump with toe pick, to rotate 3/4 turn on the ice before taking off, and to make then only 1 and 1/4 rotations in the air! But is that actually double jump in this case?? It is much more honorary to learn full 2 rotations (or let’s say 1 3/4 rotatons) in the air, nevertheless it is much harder that the thing you recommend.
    I know even the skater who jumps toe loop like a flip – with his sight directed backwards on the take off and doing the full one rotation in the air – despite that all coaches teach toe loop like a 1 1/2 rot. jump, with forward take-off…

  36. natalia

    today I’ve tried to jump loop in this way, and my coah said it was perfect.
    thank you very much.
    and I’m waiting for another videos with other elements!

  37. Melissa

    I tend to be a “head case” and psyche myself out a lot so the information you have just taught has definitely helped me have greater confidence in jumping! I am now at least attempting the jump whereas before I would bail out because of fear, clearly I still have a lot to work on, but this insight has helped me dramatically! Thank you for sharing and I hope to hear more tips on how to improve my skating!

  38. Cassidy

    I just thought I would let you know that my coach told me this a couple of days ago. This really helped me with my double loop and I felt like I was doing a single. I tried it six more times and ended up with the same result. I think its great that you are teaching other skaters the proper technique to jumps to help make it easier for them.

  39. cs lam

    Thanks a lot,
    Last week I start the basic jump, 1/2 rotation.
    this is helpful & interesting, I’ll recommand my coach to visit this web.

  40. GoFigureSkating

    I think this is good information but I woory about one thing.

    What about the section from the IJS Techinical Panel Handbook Single Skating” that says on page 4 in the section “Cheated Takeoff”

    A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a
    cheated jump.
    The toe-loop is the most commonly cheated on take-off jump. The Technical
    Panel may only watch the replay in regular speed to determine the cheat and
    downgrade on the take off (more often in combinations or sequences).

    First they do not define what clear forward means >90? >135? >170?
    Second the panel cannot use slow motion.

    My concern is that my daughter should not intentionally take off “clear forward”. So where is the line???

    Here is a link to the ISU document.,10853,4844-185235-202457-nav-list,00.html

  41. Michael

    Thanks for the information! I tried a double loop today, got splattered.OUCH! I’m learning by axel now. Always land it two footed. double sal has no heigh and I cant land my double loop. Any advice? ๐Ÿ™‚

  42. Michaela

    I’m so exited to try this information out… I’ve been having so much trouble with the double loop but now I’m kicking myself because it seems so easy!! Thanks so much ๐Ÿ™‚ I defiantly have way more confidence in landing it cleanly.

  43. Veronica

    Great advice! Thanks! I’ve just started to skate, but trying to make a loop. Sure, your advice will help!

  44. Melanie

    That’s great advice, but I am having trouble landing my double axel. Do you have any secrets on landing the double axel. That would be very helpful. Thanks.

  45. Emee

    That was a really good video!!! :DDDDD
    Though, i wanted to ask for your advice on how to complete the rotations in the air. I am attempting my double loop, using the same technique as yours. WHen my coach guides me, I can complete it and land it, since he pushes the right arm a bit so i could rotate. now when i do it by myself, i face forward in the landing, which of course, is not right, since i am supposed to land backward. I really need your advice!!! thankssss!

  46. Francine

    I think these are great instructions for learning jumps and they really do seem much easier now. After a while the skater will not pre-rotate as much as they improve on each jump. I am an adult skater now who learned as a teen to skate in the early 1990’s. I took 17 years off because I had been so afraid to jump–because I was taught to jump the hard way. This is VERY helpful.

  47. SHEARL

    Thank you for the info….I really would like to see more secrets on jumps…I having a hard time to do my double jumps.

  48. Judy

    Trevor, thank you so much for taking the time to address this issue. This video helped my so much. I can tell that you are a sincere, dedicated coach and want the best for all skaters. My coach doesn’t teach the forward takeoff technique for the loop, but I practiced the forward technique before my skating lesson and when I had my lesson I accomplished the loop jump by using the forward takeoff and my coach was so happy and said, “now that was a very good jump, you’ve got it!” I don’t think she realized that I took off forward lifting from the toepick, but did acknowledge that it was a good jump. I told her about your site and asked her to check it out. Thank you, thank you!!

  49. Geoff

    Extremely helpful Trevor and I do appreciate the clarity and depth of the guidance you provide here. I’ll let you know when it succeeds for me.
    Many thanks, Geoff. ~:o)

  50. Laura

    Awesome information…And yes! I have always been confused about the loop jump. My coach, who was taught by Frank Carroll, taught me the loop a completely different way. I had to re-teach myself by watching what I thought to be good examples. This video just made it crystal clear. I just wish there had been a comment on what the position of the free leg should be. Mine feels too close to the skating leg and I think it’s preventing me from getting good distance..hmm. Not sure. At any rate I love love loved your video…looking forward to more!!

  51. Dee

    I am so happy to find this web site. I learned a lot. I am having trouble landing double loop. I can’t wait to go on ice and try this.

  52. Samantha

    This is very interesting and helpful, I am an adult skater and as a kid I was taught to take off backwards in loop and the axel was so hard because I was taught to start the jump right away. As an adult I had a coach teaching me the way the video shows and I thought she was wrong. She told me to watch skating in slow motion. This video helps because it explains how it is actually being done.

  53. Nathaniel

    I think that your video was very interesting and all-inclusive. The filming was first-class and your commentary was articulate. However, I still believe that (from a skaters position) it would be confusing to tell a skater that a double is only 1 1/4 rotations. I do believe that over time, as the jump becomes easier, that things like that happen, but for a skater just beginning to learn this jump, it might be a little hard to visualize. I’m looking forward to seeing a video on toe loops, loops, axels, double-axels (which we all know are entirely different), flips, and lutzes. As a skater I think those would be very helpful (especially the double-axel).

  54. Brett

    My coach has taught me to pre-rotate, which is basically what you are saying ๐Ÿ™‚ Do these same rules apply if the loop is the 2nd jump in combination?

  55. Theresa Rombach

    Hi Trevor, Iยดm from Germany and in fact I had a coach who taught like you! Iยดm looking for Axeladvice and salchow! Do you have any videos ? I did only get the loop jump?
    thanks a lot for your good advice

  56. Jenny

    Thank you especially for the slow motion, frame by frame video clips. They are so helpful and I look forward to seeing the flip, lutz and axel that way. I’m an adult skater which adds extra challages to skating, but I have been fortunate to have coaches who teach like you do and I was aware of this information.

  57. julia

    i think the video was really imformative and i talked to my parents about it. we came to a conclusion that my coaches were teaching me this and i was understanding all of this. the problem we relaized, was that i have trouble putting everything i know into one jump, i would do one thing and then forget to remember to do something and still mess the jump up. furthemore, i have been working on the salchow and toe double jumps for a little more than a year. my coaches had tried to get me to land them and taught every one this exact same way but they could not seem to teach me to do it. i do this excirsise were i have to do an axel from standing on my toepick.i am really concerned that i can not land these jumps or the excircise my coaches have me do. i would really appreicate an help on new exercise or other ideas to try and land it.

  58. forrest

    I am going to get on a soapbox here. I just returned to skating 4 months ago as a 49yo adult skater, after many years off. I was shocked when I saw your info about jump rotations. I am trying to make myself re-gain my “stuff”, and am quite frustrated that about 70% of the time I am still turning 1/4 on my toe – I did not do so poorly when I skated years ago. If I can manage “only” 1/4 lost with a damaged tibia, muscles, dead ankle/foot nerves, overgrowth of ankle bone due to a past metal plate, and pronation due to 2 surgeries, then all the young hot shots who are getting full credit for cheated jumps ought to be able to do them properly, and get marked down when they don’t. Maybe I simply had a superior coach (I’m know I did), and that gets us back to the point that as a group coaches do not understand the jumps and do not all teach them the same way due to their lack of understanding them. Consider too that some judges were once skaters who got away with cheated jumps. Creating definitions to enforce standards is great, but needs to be done in a way that doesn’t support cheating of jumps simply to match the fact that judges are often as loose in following standards as coaches sometimes are.

  59. Sindy

    this video is really interesting! can you do more videos on the first 6 jumps? (the single jumps) because its what im working on. i want to get these jumps done and out of the way as fast as i can so please help me! your videos are amazing by the way.

  60. Camille kampf

    my coach basically just said to take off on my right foot and rotate once! she also had me do it off ice first.

  61. A-skater

    Thank you very much for all these videos, they have really helped me understand jump mechanics more thouroughly and helped me become a much more developed skater. While this site has really been helpful it is called skating jump SECRETS, with secrets in plural form, yet there seems to be just one secret, that jump takeoffs are a 1/4 to 3/4’s turn from backward, isn’t there a couple more secrets you might be able to share?

  62. Ana

    Hi Trevor, my coach also teaches the loop in the same way, however until I saw your video I had not made the connection between the running entry edge and the jump actually being a forward take off. I am really looking forward to my next skate and focusing on this technique with the loop jump.


  63. mariaanna82

    I’m an adult skater and the coach of myself I tried your technique for loop
    it’s so good thanksssss

  64. hayley

    i think it’s great you have included the opinions of most coaches, i skated for four years with a coach who taught me the wrong things and this is a great thing to make sure that doesnt happen again.

  65. Brittany

    I am from Australia so we have many coaches of different nationalities and that means contrasting techniques this becomes quite confusing.This video information is excellent for me to understand what is best for me.
    Thank you very much.

  66. Chris

    I am just a beginner, but the attitude displayed in the videos strikes me as appalling. It is clearly cheating and against the spirit of the rules. If you carried this attitude through to the rest of your skating, I don’t see how it would benefit your technique, when you were always seeking the path of least resistance in acquiring new skills. I think it is sad that things have come to this. Perhaps I lack enough experience to think this though, and would hesitate to criticise the other responses here. It certainly doesn’t appeal to me though.

  67. Trevor Laak Post author

    Hi Chris, just a quick note to say thanks for your feedback. I felt compelled to reply to your comment because a few people have misunderstood my point and I’d like to clarify. Basically, the point I’m making in these videos is:

    1. There are NO formal rules defining the jumps,
    2. The “rules” that do exist are “fuzzy” and open to misinterpretation,
    3. Jumping has evolved over the years and certain ideas related to figure skating jumps are simply outdated (actually they were NEVER true!).

    When you watch a major skating competition and see the amazing skating, you can show that salchows and toe loops and loop jumps all take off forward from the toe pick. Double and triple axels typically rotate some on the ice so they take off “sideways.” And flips and lutzes have a wide range of possible mechanics, from nearly backward to fully forward at take-off. Anyone claiming otherwise needs to sit down and watch some video. (There’s tons on YouTube.)

    Many claim that it happens too fast to see with the naked eye. I have two responses to that.
    1. If you can’t see it yourself, then watch slow motion video so you can see it, and
    2. Just because you can’t see it properly at full speed doesn’t prove that others can’t see it properly.

    I’d like to offer this additional clarification. Many coaches have responded that, “Sure a loop jump may take off forward, but you can’t tell your skater that. If you do, you’ll just make a spinning mess.” This assertion is simply not valid as a general statement. It may be true for that coach, but other coaches are having tremendous success teaching their skaters to pivot to forward.

    And finally, I’d like to address the common misconception that jumps or spins or anything in skating “feels the same” to every skater. Many coaches tell their skater that a jump should “feel” a certain way. No doubt this works for some skaters, but anybody can do a survey of skaters to find out that skaters feel an astonishingly wide range of sensations when jumping, even when their technique is nearly identical. Telling a skater that a certain aspect of a jump should “feel” a certain way, especially if that’s not what’s really happening (watch video!) is telling some skaters not to trust their actual and true sensations while jumping. This is sad, yet astonishingly common.

    The point of this website was to show what’s actually happening in jumps, and try to address why so many people seem confused by it. Anyway, thanks again for your input.

  68. Kelly C

    I am 48yrs old and used to skate competitively around 30 yrs ago. At the time I was able to land up to a double Axel. I started skating again about 8 months ago after being off the ice for about 25 years. I realise I will never be at that same level again but I have just done my first comp. in 30 yrs and enjoyed it. My biggest problem at the moment is two foot landing my loop and flip jumps. No good reason, have plenty of height and full rotation, but just feel a bit insecure I think. In all my years of skating I have never been told this info about loops and I am keen to give it a go when I get on the ice next.

    Having read some of the comments here I think what some people are missing is the concept of providing the path of least resistance to achieve the same goal. No tow skaters will have progressed through their career in exactly the same way so long as you can achieve the same output in the long run, does it matter if the technique for getting there is different?

  69. Graeme

    Wow I thought that the loop jump was a sideways take off but now know its a forward take off. Who would have thought that only a 1/4 to 1/2 revolution was needed to complete this jump and 1 1/4 to complete the double loop. Taking off from the toe pick makes sense in gaining height this is what I do. My coach has seen this site and recommended that I look at this. He is a well known in Canada but now resides in New Zealand and well respected by skaters here. Can’t wait to get out on the rink and give it a go. Thanks

  70. Maud

    Hi coach Trevor,
    One of my coach, Alexandre RICCITELLI, had told me about the fact that less rotation than usually thought was actually necessary to perform axel and double jumps.
    I had observed the “ISU videos” and tried to apply these new methods, disturbing at first for me. It wasn’t indeed the first way of jumping I had been taught. So I had to accept to get rid of my bad habits, not so obvious. Right now, I’m convinced of the efficiency of these “new” jumping techniques. But I must confess it is disturbing to still hear coach around me teaching the “old” jumping method. So, your videos really help me, confirm that I’ m progressing in the right direction. And I must admit, as an engineer and physicist, that I fully agree with the whole content of these first two videos.
    Thanks for your commitment dedicated to all figure skaters around the world.
    Best regards,

  71. Monica Jackson Wittenburg

    Hi Trevor!!
    Thank you for all of this information and the work you are doing to help our sport!! I’m a coach(2yrs) and have been skating on and off since I was 6yrs old. I’m 38 now and I have recently come back to skating and coaching. In all of my years of skating I wasn’t taught this way, nor have I been teaching this way due to what I had learned over the years. Jumps have always been an issue with me because to inconsistency, and deep down I just knew there had to be a better way but could not find one. Thanks to you I have my answer!! I come from a small rink and skating school that has very little training that some of the bigger rinks have, but now I can get that same training and teach my students with your help!! Now it’s just a matter of retraining my bad habits to good ones. Any advise on that?? A BIG THANK YOU again for all of your hard work and efforts and please keep the videos and information coming!!

    Monica Jackson Wittenburg

  72. Jahmeil

    Thank you for such useful and informative information. I can only hope you continue to do more! We are in Australia, Adelaide, having to travel just under an hour each way for as little as 20mins of lesson time due to the lack of the number of coaches and having to spread themselves thin and with such a limited amount of ice time. Videos such as this would really help our skaters.


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